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New legal aid for middle class

Program first of its kind in Canada

By: Geoff Kirbyson

31/10/2009 1:00 AM | Comments: 11

Allan Fineblit says even people who make a decent living can have trouble affording the legal services they need.

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Allan Fineblit says even people who make a decent living can have trouble affording the legal services they need.

The Law Society of Manitoba has approved a pilot project to make lawyers financially accessible to people who often fall between the cracks of the legal system -- the middle class.

The province's poor can access Legal Aid Manitoba when they need a lawyer and the affluent can simply write a cheque, but it's those in between who are often unable to afford legal services, which start at more than $100 per hour.

Allan Fineblit, the Law Society's chief executive officer, said it will act as the brokerage for legal services for the Family Law Access Centre (FLAC), a first of its kind in Canada. It will go to the private bar of lawyers throughout the province and buy legal services at a discount -- approximately two-thirds of what lawyers usually charge -- and make them available to the public for family law cases, such as divorce, child custody and spousal support. The Law Society will also handle the billing side of things.

"In a contested family domestic type case, it can be very expensive. Even people who make a decent living can have trouble affording the legal services they need," he said, noting FLAC should be up and running early in the new year.

"The courts struggle with this. When people show up and try to represent themselves, it becomes a nightmare. Courts want them to be treated fairly but they're at a huge disadvantage without a lawyer. And at stake could be the most important thing in the world to them, the custody of their children."

Fineblit said it's often the most vulnerable people who aren't able to pay for legal services and end up representing themselves, such as those for whom English is a second (or third) language, recent immigrants who have no sense of Canada's legal system or those with little education.

Jennifer Cooper, a partner and family law lawyer at Deeley Fabbri Sellen in Winnipeg, said the number of people representing themselves is on the rise across both in Manitoba and across Canada.

"It's like sending you into a hospital and asking you to do your own surgery. You want somebody taking out your appendix who has done it before," she said.

Chief Justice Monnin said there has been a growing trend, primarily in family law, of people representing themselves in court. That can put them at a distinct disadvantage, he said.

"If a party doesn't fully appreciate what obligations they have to present material or evidence to the court, then that makes the job that much more difficult for the judge," he said.

Self-representing litigants who don't know court procedures might also have to seek adjournments more often than normal, which can cause cases to take longer than usual, he said.

Bill Gange, a partner at Gange Goodman & French, applauded the Law Society for tackling an issue that nobody else is dealing with.

"If you're a corporation that has a budget for legal matters, it might not be all that important to you. But to the average joe on the street, paying $5,000, $10,000 or $20,000 to get matters resolved, that's a hard hit," he said.

Fineblit said applicants will be subject to a full financial assessment, including an evaluation of their income, debts, assets, tax returns, family size and number of dependents. If they fall in the proper range, they'll be asked to choose from the stable of lawyers.

Fineblit said the system should benefit both clients and their lawyers as clients will pay what they can afford while lawyers can rely on the Law Society to collect their fees and rest assured that they're going to be paid.

Fineblit said the Law Society has set aside $250,000 for the program. He said it's too early to say how many lawyers will sign up or how many cases it will handle.

"When we run out of money, that's when we'll stop. If I can get 100 lawyers signed up, I'll be thrilled," he said.

Cooper said she expects a significant number of lawyers will sign on for FLAC, just as they do for Legal Aid. Last year, Legal Aid Manitoba boosted its rates by 40 per cent from $57 to $80 per hour.

"It's the right thing to do. Most of us want to help clients to access justice," she said.

geoff.kirbyson@freepress.mb.ca

Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition October 31, 2009 A5

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Maybe Lawyers should make their rates cheaper then most of us could afford them with out the use of a loan , and they would be busy all the time . Just a thought !

This is good news. I have always found it awesome how legal-savvy people on social assistance can be. Of course this is what happens when people can call up a lawyer when they know they don't have to pay for it.

Now the middle class can get the same experience / expertise. And that's a good thing. More equality for the hard-pressed middle-class.

LWoodie, the right to legal representation levels the playing field. Otherwise, the "get-together" you are advocating will always place the less educated and the less sophisticated at an extreme disadvantage.

My understanding is that Legal Aid for the poor has been cut in recent years: now you can only get free help if it's likely you'd receive jail time for your charge, and they no longer have free drop-in legal advice hours. So in this context it actually looks like Legal Aid is moving to help wealthier people than before, rather than being more inclusive.

Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can further clarify the situation.

Mick you could be right but I still think it is worth a try. Never haven gone through the process I have no personal experience but horror stories from friends and family that have, tell me there has to be a better way. Adding lawyers seems to complicate the process particularly where a fair and impartial judge/arbitrator is involved.

What is wrong with one judge and the two combatants meeting with a view to coming up with a solution? Well for one, when one of the "combatants" is a nut case there will be no solution that is amicable for both parties as the nut case typically wants only what they want as they are usually very selfish and feel they are owed everything.
So it's back to the method they use now. Now if those who can't afford lawyers are given the opportunity to afford one, isn't that better? That is, for those that do in fact deserve a Lawyer - but I bet there will be those that abuse the system and that's what they need to look out for.
And then what about those who get the cranky old cracked Judge that can't seem to understand common sense, or refuse to? They are out there and hopefully a Lawyer will help combat that..

The new system is not what is needed. Now we will have 2 or more lawyers, one judge, several court officials and a court room tied up hearing these cases. What is wrong with one judge and the two combatants meeting with a view to coming up with a solution. It's the legal system who are creating the problem here and it is in their self interest to ensure it is carried on in perpetuity. Remember the Night Court show.

Thank-you to those who lobbied for this type of service. Maybe now many people can get the representation they deserve.
Thanks also to the lawyers who will sign up to serve in this capacity. You won't regret it.

...maybe people who represent themselves are a problem to the court "system" because of a)far too much legalese b) people protecting their own interest c) an "adversarial" system instead of one geared toward truth/fairness/equitable solutions.

Oh yay! (He says sarcastically) Now more of the system can be abused by the ex who insists her first handful of Legal Aid Lawyers were all wrong, and only she was right.

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