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Tim's camp in bad taste: critics
300-bed facility not suitable for lake
Eric Reder (MARC GALLANT / FREE PRESS ARCHIVES)
The pristine wilderness of a Whiteshell lake is about as far away as you can get from a Tim Hortons drive-thru.
But the coffee-and-doughnut chain that has become a Canadian icon has set its sights on building a year-round 300-bed facility for underprivileged youth on Crown land near Meditation Lake.
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And, given the environmental sensitivity surrounding Meditation Lake, where motorized vehicles are prohibited, sparks are starting to fly.
"Meditation Lake is a fragile, back-country lake with no development near it and only walk-in access," said Eric Reder, the Manitoba campaign director of the national wilderness protection group, Wilderness Committee.
"We need a public vision of how our natural areas are going to be protected."
David Morelli, Tim Hortons' director of public affairs, refused to discuss the Meditation Lake project. However, Morelli confirmed that the company's foundation had agreed to open a youth camp in Manitoba in 2011.
"It would be inappropriate to speculate on the location or other details until a formal agreement has been finalized," Morelli said in an email to the Free Press.
The non-profit Tim Horton Children's Foundation operates six facilities for disadvantaged youth in Canada and the United States.
While Tim Hortons camps have earned praise for the national chain, Jim Harrison -- who has a cottage in the Whiteshell -- suggests a boycott might be needed to save Meditation Lake.
"We have to do everything we can do to stop this," Harrison said.
He said Conservation staff told him they knew nothing about the project, even though Conservation Minister Stan Struthers confirmed Tuesday morning that talks are taking place with Tim Hortons.
Harrison said the Meditation Lake area is environmentally sensitive and conservation officials had ruled out any further development in the area.
As well, Harrison said Conservation also posted Meditation Lake as being contaminated and unsafe for humans, adding he wonders why Conservation would allow a youth camp to be built there.
Conservation Minister Stan Struthers said talks are ongoing with Tim Hortons, but nothing would be built until the public is consulted in late April or early May.
"We need to see something more concrete from the proponent," Struthers said.
"It all fits in with our approach to take logs out and put kids in. We want to use our parks as classrooms to teach them the great outdoors."
Struthers said while some clearing has taken place near Meditation Lake, a road will not be built unless an agreement is in place with the company.
Struthers also said the environment would be analyzed before any project went ahead.
Last year, thousands of dead clams washed up on the shore of Meditation Lake while an algae bloom was seen on the surface of the water.
Reder said the province should conduct public consultations before deciding to pursue a deal with Tim Hortons or any other developer.
Reder -- who is concerned about the number of developments inside provincial parks and wilderness areas that have no management plans -- said that by building a road to Meditation Lake, it will bring vehicles to other nearby isolated areas, such as Horseshoe Lake. "There is road access to many of the lakes in the Whiteshell now but to preserve the natural integrity of the wilderness system, restricted access must be left for some areas," Reder said.
-- With file from Kevin Rollason
Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition March 25, 2009 A3
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21 Comments
Posted by: Captn Herm
March 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM
The problem with TwoCents is that most likely he/she is over educated which seems to make him/her a prime candidate for the tree hugger list! Hopefully the government is way ahead of the Nay Sayers and has given the required permissions to Tims, after all public hearings are just hearings and there is no need to base the outcome of a decision on these hearings.
Posted by: Twocents
March 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM
What I love most about this stream of comments is that each one of you who is all for this plan and wants to round up the tree huggers sounds as though you are in want of some further education due to your poor grammar and spelling. Good luck with those uninformed opinions.
Posted by: Running Bear
March 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM
We are all “One” and this land is given as a gift. As we evolve, the elders say, “one will understand the land is not for sale and never was.” Sacred pipes were lit and treaties were signed to “share the land.” As our brothers (newcomers to this land) evolve, they too will understand that we, humanity are not owners of anything, especially the land but merely “caretakers.” Being a caretaker is a huge responsibility and not taken lightly. Caring, sharing and balance between our relations (plants, animals, water and air) becomes a priority of the People.
Has anyone consulted the Great Spirit? Was a ceremony between Tim Horton’s and Mother Earth done? I don’t think so.
- Running Bear
Posted by: getreal
March 25, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Hey Harrison if your serious about saving the lake, why don't you and your whinning cohorts donate your lake propeties to the cause?
Posted by: getreal
March 25, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Hey Harrison is your serious about saving the lake, why don't you and your whinning cohorts donate your lake propeties to the cause?
Posted by: Captn Herm
March 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
OK, so the psycho tree huggers are out to gain some more free publicity! First of, what's wrong with Meditation Lake, seems that one of the tree hugger gurus said
"What we know right now is that this lake is in trouble," said Eric Reder, Campaign Director for the Wilderness Committee. "We don't have an exact cause for this problem. We know there shouldn't be commercial logging in our parks. We know that the government's excuse of fire suppression is wrong. And now we have a species die-off that the professors I've spoken to say is extremely rare, if not unique. We need to do a better job of protecting our wilderness."
Yup, more of the same old reteric trying to fault anything and everything that does not come within their narrow minded view! Its about time that the average Manitoban speaks out and squashes the tree huggers into the ground. I hope that the government (even with it's leftist leanings) gives the green light to Tim's and lets the camp be build at Meditation!
Posted by: Dunder Mifflin
March 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Of course the province is on-board with this idea. It's got all those CFS kids put up in hotels, and Tim's wants to build a youth detention facility in the bush, out of sight, out of mind.
But seriously, are there not a gazillion 'summer camps' in this province already? Every church group has one, then there's .. man.. I can't even name them all.. I went to a few as a kid. So let Tim's rent one out for a few weeks, I'm sure the groups that own these places would be glad for the extra business.
But for them to build a new one in such a remote area, it's pretty suspicious. Gotta be cheaper to build in an established area. So what's the incentive? Poor kids don't know one lake from the next. Give 'em a canoe and a camp fire, all they need.
Posted by: Pam Tonsaker
March 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
It always comes down to money. Everything comes down to money. Governments especially have to do that, as they are the keepers our our dollars. But sometimes I wish they would be more open about things financially. Remember the word transparency and accountability were keys words a year or so ago. The spin sometimes becomes a bit too much.
As for Tim Horton's, I congratulate them and think the plan or idea of this camp is good for Manitoba, but the location maybe questionable. If the lake is contaminated, that really has me baffled. Will Tim Horton's clean it up? Will anyone clean it up? Too many unanswered questions right now, and the more information provided the happier all us will be.
No formal agreement has been signed yet, but when it is will it have any public input? Who knows this could be another trial balloon just to see which way the wind is blowing, and again the spin masters take it from there.
Posted by: HailEris
March 25, 2009 at 3:55 PM
scooter: Implying sinister motives does not make it so. Of course they benefit from it, but they are still doing some good for people. They are a BUSINESS, so if they are going to help others, it has to benefit them. Tim's is not a charity. They don't have to do this. They are being a good corporate citizen. Also, not everyone wants their children in a camp run by a church. To Pam: the transmision line wasn't built on that side of the lake because the people who live there would have tied up the process for years in the courts fighting it. It wasn't about the environment, it was about money. To Suburban capitalist: Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious
Posted by: NineWestGirl
March 25, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Suburban Capitalist, applause to you!
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